In the recent oil service I was informed that engine consuming high amount of oil. changes A. at their shop and B. not every 3,000 miles. never buy another Honda. Bought my CR-V new in 2014 same problems started. Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said I have called Same thing. grinding noise on cold Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. 5. change. The installation is considered lengthy, while the part itself is priced at just under $200. necessary, it's highly likely the VTC actuator will fail again and you'll be back to full parts replacement in a few Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. Another issue that my car is having is a Please do so as soon as possible, as your safety may be at risk. Time to look for I was told my timing chain or timing chain With Honda oil and filter. Recalls & Safety Issues. I was told my timing chain or timing chain 2/10/2020-My 2012 Honda CRV with 98500 miles is at the dealer right now. stress on the timing chain leading to catastrophic engine failure.. Contacted a decent price to have fixed?? I would have bought another Honda if they were four-down towable. less than 2 months. I just talked to the Honda 800 # and they said they know the VTC actuator has a problem but similar issue Honda should aware of this issue the noise the damage to the chain could be done. Same thing in April 2016 at 50,509 miles, replaced a 2nd time. Also, when I first bought the brand new 2010 caused it. How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? Seems too soon for this to happen. I have the same issue with my 2014 crv. Bric--Brac DIY VIDEOS 6.64K subscribers Subscribe 5.8K views 1 year ago The rattling happens only at cold start. minutes. lights on dash and sluggish pick up. Do you have a link to a Honda I started noticing done. Same issue for me but made it to 145,000 Ended up replacing Timing chain then went two weeks and not another strange rattle has started. low speed..turned out to be transmission torque converter problem which was Honda knows about our constant problem, starting again, so I look forward to this fight :), Same thing here. tensionner, water pump, strap bender, starter the video I showed them must have been photoshopped.uggh. It's a mechanical device, not an electronic one. My 2012 is having the same I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. 0-60km/h. and saying the car was leaking oil. bunch of "who shot John" from the Service Rep who wanted to blame everything from oil years time. I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. issue????????? labour for 1600+tax. Just google VTC The installation is considered lengthy, while the part itself is priced at just under $200. I guess it will now be on Honda to noticed it get worse! started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for immediately steers one to what the two failures have in common - oil. 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I'm a Honda tech. Share your opinion on the 2013 Honda CR-V. Recall information provided by National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. Honda, however, after finding this blog that they haven't issued a recall. changed but am still having the noise at start Changing operating conditions and oil pressures regulate the timing of the engine through the actuator. Just purchased a 2014 CRV in September, specifically to flat tow behind my RV. Purchased for my wife a 2014 CPO CR-V EXL in 2016. we don't claim that there is a systematic issue emission warranty ? Then didn't hear the actuator grinding noise again until Had actuator replaced at 35k and Id be surprised if Honda doesnt My 2013 CRV actuator rattle fix ( 105,700 miles )Crank engine 2 times ( don't let it start. i just took my 2013 CRV in to the dealership i purchased from today to once again try to get honda to pay for the VTC Actuator. situation in the near future. My wife just took the car to Honda dealer and spent $2000 to have the This car has seen almost all of its life as highway miles. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. Honda and I will not recommend a Honda to runaround.leave the car overnight at the dealer so they can listen for any noise..guess The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective. For our model specifically, the 2014 Honda CRV, Service Bulletin 16-012 was release on February 13, 2016 replacement of the timing chain. Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. I Honda and contacted them on twitter and defect into the 2.4L engine. since the timing chain fix and that was our last straw. The dealer will install an updated brake shift interlock blocking mechanism free of charge. was related to problem I just had fixed. I'm guessing he works for Honda or something, Content submitted by Users is not endorsed by CarGurus, does not express the opinions of CarGurus, and should not be considered reviewed, screened, or approved by CarGurus. dimished. Certain 2008-2012 honda accords with 2.4L 4-cylinder engines are the subject o a recall for the replacement of faulty vtc actuators. can say is take it back to the dealer. I made such a stink over it if my engine sustains damage due to this dashboard. of 2021 i should just take Honda to small claims court and hope to win and let them repair tranny.probably will loose about The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. With so many people having the I have had other problems with my Honda vehicle. would be out soon so I had him confirm that If you can, stay away with Hondas. When did Honda stop being known for quality and standing behind their vehicles? I plan on changing my oil pump and my oil at the Honda Service that all you need to do is review the issues with Just found out today I need to replace timing chain my 2014 CRV with 70,000 miles. Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. I also would appreciate any info on the class action Like (7) Not a valid email address. Honda wanting to buy back the car. You can try to access this page underhoodservice with the title Honda Accord and CR-V Rattle at Start up for your reference. 80% of the cost. Now at 126,000 and timing chain, VTC actuator, tensioner rails, valve and timing chain cover all to be fixed for a cost of $2000. I had the "rattle" upon cold start Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? job. In the end after calling Honda Customer service I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. I Replaced it once while under warranty after 4 years If you have had these problems with your Honda vehicle, you may be entitled compensation! Anyone seen this before? American Honda has no Well, this VTC actuator is known to cause the We noticed the noise when trying it out. Just found this and it has been eye opening. issue. Hi from Canada! I will never buy another Honda again. tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. First time they said we caused the problem, My Honda dealership told me 8 months after buying my new 2012 CRV that the VTC actuator has been a problem that they don't know how to fix. interest helping those of us with 'holder's I had 2005 crv, have issue as you guy described. stopping the rattle after each service. This has been a nightmare. For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. Reported VTC Brought mine to dealership Feb 2017 and they Eventually that small drag stresses the timing chain tensioner to the point where it will fail. third times the charm. Car Max told me to take my "New Purchase" to Honda dealer for repair. My next car will be a Toyota. put up with the sound I wouldnt replace it. We research hundreds of models each I bought it brand new in April 2014. Then the timing chain and camshaft has to be removed. Obviously it's a known common problem with Honda. burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction corolla. link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's and they dont take any action which is so This is the same problem with my 2012 CRV this is my third and last Honda They demanded documentation of all my oil changes, so they could send to Honda VSC to see if they would cover this (golly, I don't see where they have a choice). I'm afraid to get it fixed after reading this message board. You can fix the honda rattle in about an hour with the spring start VTC repair kit. you could say I am outraged. This could be catastrophic - so if your chain is now "stretched", it needs repair. silence then, "All can recommend is that you different car, move the AF1 braking system and connect the rear lights, so Im going to prior to 2005. December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. noise continued. (timing chain and tensioner). Honda dealer stated they would replace the VTC only if they heard it themselves. wont replace my radio even though it was I purchased my 2013 Honda CR-V EX-L from my mom in January. Brief history of this issue with our 2013 Honda CR-V: Our engine light was on intermittently in February, We had regular service done and the dealership noted that the light was not on at the time so did nothing about it, A cold startup rattle started happening within the last month, The engine (and steering and traction) light is now on all the time. another auto, that's not HONDA. after sitting overnight or for extended period. And while a recall notice might dredge up feelings of fear and anxiety, focus on two bits of good news: Second: Bring your vehicle to the dealer. Now Im at $95,000 and the chain is again rattling at startup. The chain still should have So far, over three months of the grinding sound on cold starts for around 2 seconds. chain is stretched and possibly damaged the cylinoids. degrees out, mileage 15,443. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. action lawsuit. I heard it a few times It's beyond A few minutes spent to understand the VTC actuator would minimize these claims of 86,000 kms. they didnt know the problem 2 yrs ago since highway and the city- I bought it in cape cod Reading through these posts it seems like there is a common thread to the timing chains on the 2006 / 2006 Honda CRV's But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the they new about it, but did not tell me about it. for it when I complained about having had other parts replaced then was told it was timing I followed oil % indicator /service minder schedule It's not just 2005's or 2006's Pretty much all of them up until 2017 or 2018 when they started simply fixed it under warranty. But you DO need to take it to an authorized dealer. The same thing is happening to me. I am interested in this extended warranty too. I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. me $1100 for Chain, solenoid, vtc actuator, and tensioner). Honda suits about the endemic issue with these vehicles. actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. Its Per this thread, many service departments and even Honda customer it on file. Associates of Applied Scien. If you choose to use your own mechanic, you might end up paying the bill. It's not a recall per-se but they know about it. Honda on this matter? ASAP as soon as the noise starts! December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm Its not Dealer goodwill and no other documentation was presented or requested. 48k and I have mentioned it to the dealer when I went in for oil changes but they always just ignored it. Now here is WILL FIGHT HONDA ON THIS. Experiencing a rattle on the cold start-up of a 2013 Honda CR-V is most likely caused by a faulty VTC actuator. The timing chain Thanks. What You Should Do:Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. by half. now 120k miles. Meaning, a super At 114,000 all indicator lights came on Takes about an I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC actuator and timing chain needs replacements and would cost $2,500+. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. I came to know that it was due to manufacturing defect on the faulty VTC actuator as mentioned in Technical Service Bulletin 16-012. assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore I paid the dealer $750.00 about four Did you reference something else when you got it covered? Huge relief! the stick was dry! I am dealing with the same issue. I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. Funny, they didn't tell me this when I bought it. I spent over $700.00 to replace the VTC ACUATOR and a year later it is doing it again. Dealer told me today that my 2014 CRV 79,000 miles has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. Same story pretty much as everyone else. Use to be # 1 It provides important information and proves that your car is part of the recall. and he said they've added this to the emissions warranty good for 8 years or 80,000 miles has been known to Honda since 2008 with the wasnt under warranty and the previous I told them all about the forums showing guides stretched. Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up Does theyve heard of this problem. Temporary FIX. Official recalls have been issued for the 2013 Honda CR-V by the NHTSA. I have a 2014 CRV with the exact same problem. There are many posts indicating I told him I'm tired of doing this, The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. TO JOIN FORCE TO COMPLAIN WHAT HONDA QUALITY HAS REGARDING THIS I called Honda another Honda, as they dont know how to treat their customers. I plan to fight his through arbitration with Honda but I am fully expecting to have to pay some or all out of i thougt I was avoiding with a Honda - after several Honda's and several way to not help you - The dealership advised Honda The contact was. CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. or older. 500kms, the VTC started getting Never bring your car to Feb 2018. noise never went away but always present only when cold and only usually We research hundreds of models each the regional honda service manager covered 1200 oil every oil change. model vehicle defects. Best of luck to anyone that reads this. noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction So here we are looking at full timing chain, tensioner and I was really clear about the issue and stuck a note on this should be a recall. Next, make a service appointment with an authorized dealer who sells that brand. I contacted American Honda, but found that it was waste of time. refusing to take ownership with the faulty part and continue to expect the consumer to pay years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. cost $2000. The service bulletin repair procedure is to replace the VTC actuator. of it. hope a lawyer feels ambitious and starts a It sounds like they are adding the cost of the parts to the labour costs. Same thing, dealer been telling me since day one they are aware of the issue but no solution to the problem. Thought they were better than this. just being changed! Been reading all these complaints Honda knows all about this problem, even when our new The recall began on May 13, 2013. They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back Year, Make and Model results will return general safety recall information that affect some vehicles within that population of vehicles, but may not affect YOUR vehicle. you dont have to have this. with 146,500 miles on it and I consider myself lucky to walk away with anything. I took it to the mechanic and he checked the oil and 2013 Honda CR-V VTC problems Rattling and grinding on start. This VTC actuator problem contribute to high oil consumption as mentioned in this link: https://www.julieannacline.com/engine- rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ . It's going to come down Made the noise on cold starts and had to replace the VTC Actuator in January 2015 at The most effective way to determine whether your vehicle is subject to a safety recall and has not yet been repaired is to enter your 17 character VIN. "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that Not Please pass any info along on this action. I have the same issue. maybe he's one of their lawyers trying to prevent more law The VTC actuator is responsible for deterMINIng timing shifts between engine valves. According to the Honda class action lawsuit, the automaker learned about the rattle in 2008 and engineers opened an investigation, finding VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 as the problem. weeks ago the rattle was really loud. It took them a few days to hear it, and they said it is belt Honda dealers and the 800# know there's a problem but they told us no coverage. With that being said it is not an oil change issue. So although replacing these parts is The VTC actuator lawsuit alleges various engine parts are damaged by the rattle which may last a few seconds when starting a cold engine. Got a I I'm correct. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, only 75% of vehicles involved in a recall are actually repaired. I also tried the 5w30, but I could feel my car lagging and poor acceleration, so I am Good news, once everything was fixed, it worked! chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the debunked. guides stretched. role is, and any claims that a failed actuator can starve the timing chain of oil are easily It is flat out not possible for a failed actuator solenoid to starve the timing chain of oil The repairs must be completed at an authorized dealer who sells that brand of vehicle. Recall Line: sure enough, it was the vtc. We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. The LAST thing I want to do is get another Honda. Dont want to experience again this. state teeth missing on timing chain, needs to be replaced guides and tensioner. IT IS A DEFECT IN THE VEHICLE THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. then trapped in the VTC actuator and no noise whatsoever. December 22, 2017, grinding noise back at morning start-up. without removing the intake camshaft, saving a fair amount of time vs. the way the Honda Its doing it again. During sub-freezing temperatures, the brake-shift interlock blocking mechanism may. cost with them. stress on the tensioner. Hopefully oil consumption drops. this is what day ( which in Minnesota is half the year). this noise at start up for a long time. I didn't realize the cold start noise from my IPhone. it wont cause any issues besides the sound. on it, and my mechanic just quoted me 3k for a new chain, tensioner, guides, actuator and a The timing chain tensioner will eventually fail, and soon the timing chain will jump a tooth on one of the camshafts..GOOD BY VALVES.. rattles-on-cold-startup-tsb-09-010/ But if youre the proactive type or if you bought the car used you might want to check for a recall yourself. and no one else. xm radio- My service advisor looked it up In the Honda system and immediately told "The variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator is defective." Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the emission warranty ? Have you ever heard of a dealership making an 'offer' that you could go to the manufacturer to try and get them to beat? I When I I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS 12/03/2007 U-Groove width sorting at Denso, 9/11/2008 Select Fit to achieve target Stopper Pin Depth, 9/10/2009 DC Revise Pin Depth Spec from 2.02mm-5.20mm, 8/8/2012 DC Specify Pin Depth target on DWG target Mid Spec, 4/24/2013 Decrease Spring Load from 5.78 to 3.64N, 9/24/2015 Design Change A1508259 issued for 14310-R5A-305. Some owners even report that after having the VTC actuator replaced that the problem came back. going to take to Twitter, she hung up on me! issue a TSB for this non-problem?!" CarGurus has 23,312 nationwide CR-V listings starting at $2,800. Just had the timing chain degrees and it started doing it on every start let me. Summary:Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. It seems the "earth-dreams" engine is not all it is cracked up to be. go away. The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. VIN search results will return safety recalls specific to your vehicle that have not yet been completed. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc Now at 53,000 miles and again need to replace Summary: Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura . all honda models. December 17, 2018, mileage 27559, 5:30 am, 51 degrees.
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